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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 08:55PM »

Thanks Maggie for the information on the isle of man vary interesting. It definitely sounds like a peaceful place to see.
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 01:09AM »

How did the island end up with the name Isle of Man?
I do hope that it gets greater recognition with the 2012 Olympic Games coming to Britain, so surely the Isle of Man stands to get some greater promotion despite not hosting any events, obviously.
And isn't Mark Cavendish from the Isle of Man? He just won a stage on the Tour de France and won a gold medal at the Melbourne Commonwealth Games, and is a medal favourite in Beijing for Britain.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 03:29AM »

How did the island end up with the name Isle of Man?
I do hope that it gets greater recognition with the 2012 Olympic Games coming to Britain, so surely the Isle of Man stands to get some greater promotion despite not hosting any events, obviously.
And isn't Mark Cavendish from the Isle of Man? He just won a stage on the Tour de France and won a gold medal at the Melbourne Commonwealth Games, and is a medal favourite in Beijing for Britain.

I tried to find out about the name.......it used to be called Mona:

Following quote from:  http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/

"It appears with the first dawn of reliable history, so far as these islands are concerned, in the Commentaries of Julius Caesar, where he says:- - "In the mid sea between Britannia and Hibernia is an island called Mona." Colonised by the ancient British tribes, it remained long, like the isle of Anglesey, a chief seat of the Druids."

150 years later however, Tacitus who never went to Britain, applied the name "Mona" to the Isle of Anglesey by mistake.

I guess the name just changed to "Mann" and then "Man" through the centuries of occupation by the Vikings, Celts, etc.

Yes, Mark Cavendish is Manx. He was asked:

Q ) "Are you the most famous bloke to come out of the Isle of Man since the Bee Gees?
A ) Eh, I think so ... yeah. It's not something I pay much attention to, to be honest. I do what I do because I love the sport and the other stuff that comes with it is a bonus. A lot of people in the Isle of Man support me and it makes it all worthwhile when people are interested in what you're doing. I dunno if the word 'famous' is appropriate, but I'm quite well known on the Isle of Man.

Q) You do realise that if you do well in the Tour, the English will try to claim you as one of their own ...
A) Yeah, probably. I had the option to ride for England in the Commonwealth Games last year but I stayed true to my roots."
(Quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/jul/06/smalltalk.sportinterviews)




 
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2008, 06:13PM »

150 years later however, Tacitus who never went to Britain, applied the name "Mona" to the Isle of Anglesey by mistake.

That's some interesting information. I am in the research phase of literary project and the only written histories from that period (though they were written well after the relevant events) I am aware of come from Cassius Dio and Tacitus;  referring to Anglesey as Mona.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2008, 10:38PM »



If you saw the movie "Waking Ned Divine" it was supposed to be Ireland but was shot in the Isle of Man. Hilarious movie, if you didn't catch it try to get a hold of it.

This movie is absolute Genious!
I can watch it 1001 times..and it never gets old.

Wickie xxx
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 04:14AM »

I have just spent a considerable time searching through this site, and found some fascinating items......and a lot of boring ones too!

There are so many historians of this tiny island. It's interesting to compare the opinions of Julius Caesar and Pliny regarding the British Isles:

http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxsoc/msvol30/ch06.htm
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxsoc/msvol04/v1p003.htm

Tacitus gave his opinions but never went to Britain, so I don't put too much faith in him......he reminds me of some politicians of today!

Hey Bob - while reading about the name of the Isle of Man, I came across this bit about your namesake:

......."After the three brothers had been assassinated by order of the
 jealous King Conchobar at Emhain Macha, and Deirdre had died of grief (or married the King, in another version), Manannan fostered the two children of Naoise and Deirdre in Emhain Abhlach, a poetic name for the Island. Later he suggested to Conchobar that the boy, Gaidar or Gaiar, 'Hound,’ should be awarded Man in compensation for the loss of his father, promising that friendly relations should thenceforward exist between Man and Ulster."


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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 05:22AM »

If you saw the movie "Waking Ned Divine" it was supposed to be Ireland but was shot in the Isle of Man. Hilarious movie, if you didn't catch it try to get a hold of it.

This movie is absolute Genius!
I can watch it 1001 times..and it never gets old.  Wickie xxx

The tagline for the movie was:
"Finally, a comedy that will make you feel like a million bucks."

You can buy it here:
http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Ned-Devine-Ian-Bannen/dp/B00000ILEC

It was mostly shot at Cregneash, in the South of the Island. It's a folk park where the community lives and farms in the old way.

Here are some photos:
http://www.dankarran.com/photography/isleofman/cregneash/

Here's a map of the island, if you zoom out you can see how close it is th England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Map%2BIsle%2Bof%2BMan&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=&aq=t

The best way to get there, but not the fastest or cheapest, is to take the Ferry:

http://www.steam-packet.com/SteamPacket/

Flights:
http://www.skyscanner.net/flights-to/iom/cheap-flights-to-isle-of-man-airport.html

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2008, 06:03AM »

One of the biggest motorsports events in the world are held here each year called the Isle of man TT motorcycle race

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_TT

"The oldest motor-cycle racing circuit still in use is the Snaefell Mountain Course over which the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races are run. Starting at the town of Douglas on the south-east coast, the course takes a wide sweep to the west and north to enter the town of Ramsey on the north-east coast and thence return to the starting point, each lap measuring 37 3/4 miles (60.7 km) and taking in over 200 bends while climbing from sea level to an altitude of over 1,300 ft (396 m). This circuit is the epitome of the natural road course, all the roads used being ordinary public highways closed for the racing and practice sessions."[28]

Traditionally held in the last week of May and the first week of June, the TT races create a carnival atmosphere. Picnicking crowds flanking the circuit are reminiscent of the community festivals that are part of another form of cycle racing in a different country - Le Tour de France.

During the TT Festival it is difficult to travel across or around the island because of the road closures. There is a TT access road in Douglas that gives access to the centre of the Mountain Course during the event.

The future of the TT is always in doubt with regards to the safety, especially "Mad Sunday" when any member of the public can ride the mountain section of the course which is open one way from Ramsey to Douglas. The TT races are extremely dangerous because of the high speeds on very narrow, twisting streets, roads and lanes flanked by stone walls and even buildings. Between 1907 and 2007 there have been 224 deaths during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course (this number includes the riders killed during Manx Grand Prix and the Clubman TT races).


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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 10:10AM »

There is a local actress named Samantha Barks and she did so great in playing those roles. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2015, 11:25AM »

One of my ancestors, Sir William LeScrope (1350-1399), owned the island and was the King of Mann (1393-1399).  He was executed without trial by Henry Bolingbroke (later Henry IV) in 1399 and the island was forfeited to the crown.
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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2015, 02:42PM »

But why was he executed? Was he good or bad?
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2015, 03:35PM »

But why was he executed? Was he good or bad?
He was my ancestor, so he MUST have been good. Wink  But, Henry did not like him and had him killed. Sad
There are Wikipedia stories about all of this.
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2015, 05:48PM »

Seems more like innocent murder.
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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2015, 06:55PM »

Seems more like innocent murder.
Sir William and others were defending part of England when Henry (who had been exiled) invaded and captured them after attacking the castle they were in.  
His head was removed (!) and taken to London in a white basket to be displayed on London Bridge.
Parliament later confirmed Henry's actions.  I guess Henry did not want prisoners of war.  That is the way they did things in that era.
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